Guest: Jeffrey Carr. Dan Wright and Joanne Leon had a reunion conversation with cybersecurity expert Jeffrey Carr to revisit the infamously erroneous Crowdstrike analysis of the DNC hack which they attributed to Russia based on their analysis of an alleged Russian hack of a Ukrainian military artillery app. We also discussed Crowdstrike’s history, its recent mention in President Trump’s phone call with Ukrainian President Zelensky (the same phone call that led to his impeachment for a different reason) and the broader issue of how cybersecurity firms are incentivized to make specious claims concerning attribution of a hack, particularly if it gains them notoriety that leads to more business.
Jeffrey Carr is a cybersecurity author, researcher, entrepreneur and consultant, who focuses on cyber warfare. He is the author of the book “Inside Cyber Warfare: Mapping the Cyber Underworld” and the creator of the Suits and Spooks conference series which “bridges the gap between the Intelligence Community and Industry on hard challenges in Information Security”.
Recorded on December 17, 2019. Music by Fluorescent Grey.
- Around the Empire Episode 13: Crowdstrike’s Russian Hacking Claims feat. Jeffrey Carr (4/12/17)
- Think Tank: Cyber Firm at Center of Russian Hacking Charges Misread Data, VOA
- Cyber Firm Rewrites Part of Disputed Russian Hacking Report, VOA
- Trump-Zelensky July 25, 2019 phone call transcript
- “How a Fringe Theory About Ukraine Took Root in the White House”, New York Times, Scott Shane
- (Questionable recent story mentioned in podcast) Ukraine SBU detains several involved in hacking the DNC servers, Scott Humor